Glen and Eternal Talk About An AOD by The Crazed Asylum (TCA)
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1999 March 25
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[23:19] <|Eternal|> you know if aod and risc merged we'd be the power of the scene ?
<glen> aod is the power of the scene :D
[23:19] <|Eternal|> 20 shell boxes, shitload of resources
<glen> most of the time
[23:19] <|Eternal|> we have the roots though
<glen> you know morbid and gollie dont want that
[23:20] <|Eternal|> they were risc before, they know we will never die
[23:20] <|Eternal|> regardless of tops
<glen> im sure risc will never die
<glen> but i also dont see any death in any near future for aod
[23:20] <|Eternal|> i can offer more than most likely anyone else in the scene
[23:20] <|Eternal|> except chinablue
[23:20] <|Eternal|> heh
<glen> over 6 months old and you can count the number of people who have left on
one hand
[23:21] <|Eternal|> as morbid's time decreases in AOD so will the stats
<glen> morbid doesnt run aod
<glen> it runs on its own
[23:22] <|Eternal|> morbid made AOD what it is
[23:22] <|Eternal|> the idea of a group doesn't revolve around it running itself
<glen> but AOD is fun... like in general..
<glen> i told the same thing to scan lastnight
<glen> when i was in risc channel when i was with risc
<glen> i was afraid to talk because i might piss off the wrong person
<glen> no matter what i said
[23:23] <|Eternal|> with risc it is about having fun and trading great
<glen> aod is never a hard time
[23:23] <|Eternal|> also having high character and morale
[23:23] <|Eternal|> having that mature attitude
[23:23] <|Eternal|> no bullshit
<glen> aod tries to keep also a mature attitude and trading great
<glen> and also fun
[23:24] <|Eternal|> how can you be mature with people like thug ?
<glen> thug is not anyone that the scene knows from aod
<glen> most people dont even know who he is
[23:24] <|Eternal|> thug is not a mature person
<glen> he traded too long ago
<glen> yea but he is *fun*
[23:25] <|Eternal|> he is a kid who has low potential for the scene and for life
[23:25] <|Eternal|> he also has some psychological problems
<glen> i cant comment :D
[23:25] <|Eternal|> he blames risc or someone in risc for his own faults
[23:25] <|Eternal|> which i found extremely lame
[23:25] <|Eternal|> i never wronged the guy nor anyone in risc
[23:28] <|Eternal|> but whatever
<glen> well i cant make excuses for someone
[23:28] <|Eternal|> i don't have to deal with him, so it doesn't really matter
<glen> why do you want to merge with a group that you feel is immature?
[23:29] <|Eternal|> i don't feel the group is immature, i feel some of the members are
<glen> so if there is a merge choice people will be kicked immediately ?
[23:30] <|Eternal|> no, i'm willing to work with them
[23:30] <|Eternal|> but i don't want shit, such as fighting and such
[23:30] <|Eternal|> or people picking fights with others
[23:30] <|Eternal|> in or out of risc
[23:32] <|Eternal|> which i think is a reasonable request
<glen> but a risc aod merge would never happen, im telling you my honest opinion
[23:32] <|Eternal|> half your members came from risc
[23:32] <|Eternal|> heh
<glen> true
<glen> risc and dev
<glen> maybe that says something
<glen> about risc and dev
[23:34] <|Eternal|> what ?
<glen> maybe about their experiance in those groups
[23:35] <|Eternal|> dev have different goals and reach them differently, cough *bribe*
cough
[23:35] <|Eternal|> i wouldn't compare risc to dev
<glen> dev bribes all traders
<glen> to join
[23:37] <|Eternal|> yep
[23:37] <|Eternal|> it's sad
[23:37] <|Eternal|> i'll never sink to their methods
<glen> like giving personal turkamuk.fi boxes to their traders
[23:37] <|Eternal|> i tell people straight out what i do and they can accept or deny
[23:37] <|Eternal|> hehe yep
[23:37] <|Eternal|> one day shells won't be so easily found
[23:37] <|Eternal|> firewalls and shit
[23:37] <|Eternal|> as traffic becomes more and more logged
<glen> well what can you do?
[23:37] <|Eternal|> what can i personally do ?
<glen> you said you tell people straight out what you can do
[23:38] <|Eternal|> yeah what they will get with joining risc
[23:38] <|Eternal|> i don't give but one shell to each trader
<glen> i know what you meant i meant what is it
[23:38] <|Eternal|> and to be apart of the history of the scene, to share in the glory
[23:39] <|Eternal|> and have a nice atmosphere where there is cool people and just
relaxed
[23:39] <|Eternal|> not like DMS heh
[23:39] <|Eternal|> or dev's 21 hr / day traders
<glen> i think dms is pretty cool
<glen> they ask me to join a lot
[23:40] <|Eternal|> dms asked one of my members to join as ftp coord and they'd give
him a senior position, he told them to fuck off
[23:40] <|Eternal|> what does that tell you about loyalty ?
[23:41] <|Eternal|> loyalty/friendship etc.
<glen> well who was it?
<glen> a new member or an old
[23:41] <|Eternal|> new person
[23:41] <|Eternal|> recently joined in the last month
<glen> i dont think dms would do that..
<glen> probably moz
[23:41] <|Eternal|> heh, dms is hurting =)
[23:41] <|Eternal|> they had to bring out their cripple mrpumpkin to trade
[23:41] <|Eternal|> and motivate
[23:42] <|Eternal|> i don't like dms or lester
[23:42] <|Eternal|> their methods suck and i mean mgd, come on..guy is an
egotistical maniac
[23:42] <|Eternal|> he could give two shits about anyone but himself
<glen> i guess
[23:43] <|Eternal|> this was lester's 3rd chance ..again declining
[23:43] <|Eternal|> dms will eventually die as did apoc/amn
[23:44] <|Eternal|> you could probably say amnesia was the catalyst of the current
scene
[23:44] <|Eternal|> when risc dominated and there was only risc, there was morale,
friendship, loyalty, fun, the scene actually meant something
<glen> i wasnt around then
[23:44] <|Eternal|> neither was i, but i heard it was a much diff place
<glen> well i guess it is like that now
<glen> with dev being old risc and aod being amn
[23:45] <|Eternal|> people threatening to narc left and right ?
<glen> no i meant the trading
[23:45] <|Eternal|> no, lester sought out to destroy risc
[23:45] <|Eternal|> and bring it down
[23:45] <|Eternal|> never really worked heh
[23:45] <|Eternal|> we get hit yes, but never die
[23:45] <|Eternal|> never will die
[23:46] <|Eternal|> instead his own hate consumes himself
[23:46] <|Eternal|> each group he has started has failed
<glen> well
<glen> its not nessisarily his fault
[23:46] <|Eternal|> and anything he ever went for he left eventually
<glen> lester is a friend of mine
<glen> and he is only 19yrs old .. he does have a life beyond what dms does
<glen> he cannot control every member thru the internet
[23:47] <|Eternal|> not totally, but he was the catalyst
[23:47] <|Eternal|> i don't even think he realized what he did
[23:47] <|Eternal|> ever
[23:48] <|Eternal|> when amnesia was over with the scene changed radically
[23:48] <|Eternal|> it opened up big time, and that brought on your lame asses, your
narcing, the bullshit, etc.
<glen> the scene changes everyday
<glen> my lame ass ?
[23:48] <|Eternal|> talk to bizzy, ddruid, brain, people of the old times
[23:48] <|Eternal|> ask them what it was like back then
[23:49] <|Eternal|> change was only for the better back then, not the shit that goes
through the scene today
<glen> there was narcing and plenty of bullshit then too
<glen> just not everyone has a clear memory
<glen> bcause it wsa the *glory* time
<glen> 5 years from now people will look bak and say jeez 1999 ruled
[23:49] <|Eternal|> this scene is headed for death soon anyhow
<glen> i wish it was back then
[23:50] <|Eternal|> don't expect it to be around in 5 years
<glen> but i thought risc would never die
[23:50] <|Eternal|> the scene will die
<glen> then risc does too
[23:50] <|Eternal|> the warez scene
<glen> how can u have a warez group with no warez ?
[23:51] <|Eternal|> risciso buddy =p
[23:51] <|Eternal|> the ISO scene may be the way back to glory, it's totally different
<glen> rip will never die
<glen> if rip does iso will lose newcomers
<glen> who wants to trade iso only
[23:51] <|Eternal|> but we'll see what the future brings
[23:51] <|Eternal|> the decline of this vast empire is gradual and will continue
[23:51] <|Eternal|> so long as there are rivals
<glen> it could be 10 hours between a relese
<glen> and if you miss one you're fucked the whole week
[23:52] <|Eternal|> heh
[23:52] <|Eternal|> i will just sit back and watch everything decline
<glen> and if there is no one to spread it
<glen> where is the glory in evn releasing it
[23:52] <|Eternal|> and when the time is right i'll put the nail in the coffin to change
things
<glen> rip scene will never die
<glen> and trading
[23:53] <|Eternal|> maybe not, but it's gonna continue to decline
[23:53] <|Eternal|> and get worse and wosre
[23:53] <|Eternal|> worse
<glen> for every one person who uploads 1 file to 1 site
<glen> there is 10 people that got beat
<glen> and want to win the next time
[23:53] <|Eternal|> you don't get it do you ?
<glen> it will never end
<glen> i think rivalry is what makes the scene
[23:53] <|Eternal|> you are moving from the whole point of fun and friendship just by
your statement
<glen> not kills it
<glen> if 1 group is constantly #1, for years
[23:54] <|Eternal|> pick a path and choose it
[23:54] <|Eternal|> #1, or do it for fun ?
<glen> and years and years
<glen> where is the fun
[23:55] <|Eternal|> the fun is being apart of it
<glen> rivalry makes the scene and in turn becomes fun
[23:55] <|Eternal|> rising to that level
<glen> exactly
<glen> thats a rivarly
[23:55] <|Eternal|> nah, you are missing the point
<glen> not everyone is in the same group
<glen> but everyone wantas to be #1
[23:55] <|Eternal|> do you know how large risc was ?
[23:55] <|Eternal|> risc was the scene
<glen> everyone is taking a different path to the same goal
[23:55] <|Eternal|> back in the day
<glen> yea no kidding
[23:55] <|Eternal|> haha
[23:55] <|Eternal|> there is no same goal
<glen> and how fun was it for joe schmoe just new to the scene
[23:55] <|Eternal|> otherwise it'd be one effort
<glen> who couldnt get into risc if his mommy wrote him a letter of reccomendation
[23:56] <|Eternal|> different motives and different goals
[23:56] <|Eternal|> that is what the scene is make up of now
[23:56] <|Eternal|> people who do it for self-interest and self-promotion
<glen> hey dont get me wrong
[23:56] <|Eternal|> most don't give a shit about their group as long as they have shells
<glen> i like to have fun and it is my priority
[23:56] <|Eternal|> ie kruzin, godbless, wishmastr
<glen> but there is also something great about being #1
<glen> because you know when you're #1 there is a #2 and that #2 wants to be
where you are
<glen> and thats whats fun
<glen> getting to #1
[23:57] <|Eternal|> #1 doesn't make a strong group
[23:57] <|Eternal|> it's the ties in that group
<glen> but a strong group makes #1
[23:57] <|Eternal|> DMS was not a strong group and they were #1 for awhile
[23:57] <|Eternal|> now it's falling apart
<glen> dms was a strong group or they wouldnt have been #1
<glen> the scene is like the nba
[23:58] <|Eternal|> here
<glen> freeagency larger contracts
[23:58] <|Eternal|> look at the Bulls
[23:58] <|Eternal|> 1 person leaves
[23:58] <|Eternal|> the group is shit now
<glen> yes
<glen> but that doesnt mean they werent ONCE strong
[23:58] <|Eternal|> that's not a strong group
[23:58] <|Eternal|> the point is it is unstable
[23:58] <|Eternal|> things will fall apart with no strong ties
[23:59] <|Eternal|> and when it happens i'll be there waiting =)
[23:59] <|Eternal|> with all 80 people in RiSC to back me up
<glen> the bulls fell apart because they depended too much on key people
<glen> no bench
<glen> a group with depth will always be strong
<glen> like aod is
[23:59] <|Eternal|> these groups will fall apart eventually give it time =)
<glen> dev is strong
<glen> i cant say risc is strong
<glen> you are explaining what i was about to say before
<glen> about strong ties
<glen> risc had/has some great traders
[00:00] <|Eternal|> dev's internal structure is fucked
<glen> but if they arent trading then that doesnt make them strong
<glen> according tou
<glen> same goes for dms
<glen> hate him or love him mgd is in the top3 of alltime greatest traders
[00:00] <|Eternal|> if i did the bribing that DEV did RiSC would takeover #1
<glen> i dont tthink risc has the resources that dev has now as far as shells
[00:01] <|Eternal|> shells mean nothing
[00:01] <|Eternal|> they come and go
<glen> shells mean everything for a courier
[00:01] <|Eternal|> lets see
[00:01] <|Eternal|> i wonder what i could do to get you to join risc
[00:01] <|Eternal|> hut.fi
[00:01] <|Eternal|> unlimited iso/psx/vcd leech
<glen> you couldnt unless i wanted to join
[00:01] <|Eternal|> unlimited warez leech
[00:01] <|Eternal|> i could just keep on going
[00:02] <|Eternal|> hardware if i had to
[00:02] <|Eternal|> haha
[00:02] <|Eternal|> anyone can be bought =)
<glen> so you're offering me hw ?
[00:02] <|Eternal|> i could offer whatever i wanted
[00:02] <|Eternal|> i have just about no limits now
[00:02] <|Eternal|> you negros go around with your shells and your #1's
[00:02] <|Eternal|> hehehe
[00:02] <|Eternal|> i'll collect resources =)
[00:02] <|Eternal|> and we'll see who wins in the end
<glen> but who r u giving these resources to ?
<glen> if nobody wants to join
[00:03] <|Eternal|> they are accumulating
<glen> but they are accumulating for nothing apprently
<glen> cuz the scene is going to die soon
[00:03] <|Eternal|> we will see
[00:03] <|Eternal|> i plan on riving it later
<glen> according to u
[00:03] <|Eternal|> when the time is right
<glen> fine so give me a p3-500, voodoo2-8mb vram, 128mb of ram, 16gb harddrive,
and a cdr and 5 personal shells and ill join :(* cuz no1 else is gonna take up ur
offers.. maybe people who are new to the scene and only know of old risc they heard
about from their grandma
[00:05] <|Eternal|> hjaha
[00:05] <|Eternal|> whatever glen
<glen> im not trying to diss
[00:05] <|Eternal|> you have to see the big picture, which i'm not gonna paint for yo
[00:06] <|Eternal|> maybe one day you can share the vision
<glen> vision is risc i assume
[00:06] <|Eternal|> more than risc
<glen> i tried to be in risc if you recall
<glen> i remember being conspired against by u and brain
<glen> one afternoon
<glen> that was a lot of months ago actually
[00:07] <|Eternal|> yep
<glen> so you agree with me
<glen> that u and brain wanted to try andkick me out
[00:07] <|Eternal|> i don't really try anything
[00:08] <|Eternal|> i do or i don't do
End of |Eternal| buffer Thu Mar 25 00:09:35 1999